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I am eying off a 3D monitor any ideas? do games look any better or is it a gimmick.
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Asus Vg278H is best 3d you can get, you have an nVidia card? 3d vision 2 **** on anything the AMD cards Or tridef can do. I play loads of games in 3d only. Titles like max Payne, batmans, trines, and all the racing games.
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Zaraq wrote: I am eying off a 3D monitor any ideas? do games look any better or is it a gimmick. i just bought two samsung sa950 and am blown away at the quality of the 3d in games and movies . I like how it turns any game ive got into 3d and the 120 hz refresh rate is awesome in 2d as well.You wont be dissapointed in this hardware
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120hz is sweet
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The best you can get is probably one of the overclockable Yamakasi Catleaps. Most people buy 3D monitors for the 120hz and not the actual 3D.
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Gimmick.
A 24" 120mhz or a 30" 2560x1600 is the ways to go. 3D isn't needed.
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By no means is 3d needed but it adds great immersion.
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If you will be using the monitor in 2D mode for its 120hz smoothness factor more than the 3D, definitely go with the Samsung SA950 as it has the best quality visuals. However, if u will be using it mainly for 3D gaming/movies, then go with the Asus as mentioned above, as it can achieve better brightness than the Samsung in 3D mode, cos Samsung likes to insert black blank frames, rather than the rest of the competition that uses white blanks between frames.
I own the Samsung, its a great 2d/3d monitor. Excellent 2D colours and viewing angles too, better than any TN panel iv used.
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Gloss monitors give me the **** tbh. As long as you're in a dark room 24/7 they are fine but I've never had a study setup like that. That said 4/5 times I'll play 3d at night in the dark as this is where it really shines.
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120hz is sweet
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Gonn buy me one of dem asus vg278h thingos later this week. Hopefully this one doesn't have dead pixels like the benq xl2420t I had last week.
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I have the original Samsung 2233rz. The 120hz is why I got it. I'd rather contract AIDS then have to play a game or watch a movie in 3D with some **** glasses on.
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Circa wrote: Gonn buy me one of dem asus vg278h thingos later this week. Hopefully this one doesn't have dead pixels like the benq xl2420t I had last week. Pretty sure the vg278h has a zero pixel garentee and on site replacement. I have a copy of a vg278h receipt with $550 as the price if you wanna get a price match. http://i.minus.com/i3RR0KndDV9Ib.jpg
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my ASUS 120htz 23inch monitor had one red dead pixel in the top top right hand corner cbf going getting a replacement and it was there for about a year
then one day the dead pixel just went away and now its fine
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Audi wrote: Circa wrote: Gonn buy me one of dem asus vg278h thingos later this week. Hopefully this one doesn't have dead pixels like the benq xl2420t I had last week. Pretty sure the vg278h has a zero pixel garentee and on site replacement. I have a copy of a vg278h receipt with $550 as the price if you wanna get a price match. http://i.minus.com/i3RR0KndDV9Ib.jpgFuark what a steal. I'm buying one from computer alliance because I have given up on umart. $695 advertised, but a guy from school works there so I might get a couple of dollars off.. Who will do price matches these days? http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/sea ... 8H+&spos=3
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All you can do is ask.. You maybe surprised, I know someone at shopping express that would do. If not just get one from the store from that recipt I provided.
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Doesn't look like they have it on their website anymore.
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Circa wrote: Gonn buy me one of dem asus vg278h thingos later this week. Hopefully this one doesn't have dead pixels like the benq xl2420t I had last week. Thats not like BenQ at all, they are suppose to be the best LCD's in the world, maybe not anymore lol.
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UPF wrote: Circa wrote: Gonn buy me one of dem asus vg278h thingos later this week. Hopefully this one doesn't have dead pixels like the benq xl2420t I had last week. Thats not like BenQ at all, they are suppose to be the best LCD's in the world, maybe not anymore lol. BenQ don't even produce their own panels so it shouldn't be their fault if there were dead pixels. That and BenQ is no where near the best manufacturer for LCDs in the world. Edit: http://www.120hz.biz/yamakasi-catleap-q ... k-edition/Easily the best 120hz monitor available
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I think op has an nVidia card, that isn't a supported 3d monitor. Let alone that being a supported 3d res. Those monitors also have a much higher input lag compared to something like a vg278h, so while they may be 120hz and a ultra high res, they are not so great for shooters.
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27in is too big for a shooter
might be great for movies and non in your face games
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Ended up getting that Asus, just gave 3D a burl on Crysis 2 and BF3. Crysis was alright, but BF3 I noticed that the images were overlapping or something. 120hz is nice as I've had a 60hz since 2008.
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Don't forget that as well as adjusting depth to adjust convergence. Its an advanced setting that needs to be enabled via nVidia control panel. Rules you are so anal, next you'll be telling us we need DAC's and a pair of brown corduroys.
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3D makes me feel sick. lmao
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Haha bummer. Maybe play with the settings more, maybe setup wrong. Once setup correct it should feel natural to the eyes.
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What settings would you be adjusting? Mostly depth and convergence?
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Yep, Also you can up the trace setting on the monitor from 60 to 80 or 100 to reduce ghosting, thats what you were seeing in bf3. Note that the convergence can only be adjusted in bf3 via console commands. http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/battlefield-3/Also adjust your contrast while in 3d mode from 76 to about 60. You should be able to eliminate pretty much all ghosting with this monitor.
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Quote: Rules you are so anal, next you'll be telling us we need DAC's and a pair of brown corduroys. just a few questions for you ****. How is it that i wear hand tailored bespoke brown cashmere wool suits but u say "brown corduroys"? Get it right retard. What have DACs got to do with monitors? And how is suggesting that a 27inch screen might be too big to enjoy FPS games on anal?
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ruleofbookz wrote: How is it that i wear hand tailored bespoke brown cashmere wool suits but u say "brown corduroys"? Get it right retard.
You for real? Quote: What have DACs got to do with monitors?
Nothing Quote: And how is suggesting that a 27inch screen might be too big to enjoy FPS games on anal? You didn't say might be, you said were. Would 27" monitors be selling like hotcakes if the pixels were to big? Back on topic eh 
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Are you tripping? who said anything about the "pixels being too big"?
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Circa wrote: 3D makes me feel sick. lmao They say you adjust to it quite quickly, dont let a bit of spew on the keyboard be a deterrent.
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ruleofbookz wrote: Are you tripping? who said anything about the "pixels being too big"? Well why else would you say it's too big? It's not like you have to pan your head from side to side, so why are they too big for shooter? Anyway in regards to 3d bigger is better.
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Cheers for the link Audi. And lol xeper..
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When I change convergence in BF3, it doesn't change the fact I seem to be getting ghosts of my gun and the outlines of pretty much everything. When I look up at the sky it's blantantly obvious, but when you are looking around normally it's not that obvious, but it looks ****. The convergence setting seems to be changing a different setting rather than what I am having problems with. Not sure if it's just how 3D is or what. But Crysis 2 doesn't even look like it plays in 3D lol.. BF3 always crashes when I run it in 3D anyway, may as well uninstall.
edit; I was playing around with the depth setting, and that is what directly effects this problem in bf3. When it is set to zero, I see only the one image, but when I start increasing it the images come apart and you can see faint outlines of everything.
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To eliminate the ghosting do these adjustments. When the monitor is in 2d mode adjust the Trace Free setting up to 80 or 100 from 60. Then when in 3d mode adjust the contrast from 76 down to 60. For most 3d ready titles you don't need to make these adjustments. Some games/levels are more prone to ghosting than others. It occurs worst inareas where bright meets dark.
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That's definitely an improvement.
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Yeah, like i said some games are really prone to crosstalk/ghosting and bf3 is one of them. You got arkham city? That game is epic in 3d. Bf3 is one of the game i would class as just ok in 3d. There are plenty of games that are excellent, but as 3d is still an enthusiast thing rather than main stream quite often you need to tinker settings. Also to note is that the monitor performs much better when warm. You will notice less ghosting once th monitor has been on for a while and even more so in summer.
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I finally got a chance to play Trine 2 over LAN with the two kids here and its bloody brilliant in 3D. I too thought BF3 was just ok in single player (not that its worth playing) with a bit of a fiddle but its pretty worthless in multi. A definite disadvantage to me. I'm still too try Arkham Asylum/City (too many games on Steam) but I have tried Lego Batman and thats great in 3D. Regardless of 3D though as this Asus VG278H was well worth the money and shooters on a 27" in 120hz make my Samsung 24" IPS screen look old school. Cant wait for the bigger high res screens to come in the next few years.
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Well i don't think i will get one iff they have big pixels,ruleofbookz has quite alarmed me with his dead pixies.
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Rulez still hasn't told us why 27" is too big for shooters. I know rulez is a knowledgeable guy but don't think this claim holds much cred.
Trine 1 and 2 are the best games I've played in 3d. I love the casual game play, something a bit different. I think trine 2 is about $5 so.. Must play if you have a 3d setup.
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What about a 30" 1440p monitor? I guess thats too large as well?
Been playin Black Mesa in 3d, works great. Makes the dated source engine look much better.
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I got Trine 2 on your recommendation earlier this year Audi but it took till yesterday afternoon to try it and find its amazing. Best way I can find to describe it is, it seems like there's no glass on the screen and the game is played inside my monitor on a tiny stage with tiny people. Its such a bloody cool effect that the kids gave me grief about them not having the same game as me even though we were playing it together on a LAN setup.
As for the screen, pixels are perfect still and beside guys don't let people put you off something cause someone has had a problem. Everything has people saying don't buy cause of this or that and if you didn't buy something cause of hearsay, you'd never buy anything. Not that you shouldn't do your research but you have to remember you usually only hear about the small majority's problems. I bought this screen on recommendations and its the shizzle.
Besides if you get a problem with your product, just take it back and demand a new one. If your store is a good store, that shouldn't be a problem.
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Yeah em, I got Arkham City, I want to play through it in 3d too. Just gotta get the motivation to download it again ;p
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You playing Black Mesa in 3d?
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I wouldnt mind seeing an RTS game in 3D, maybe THQ will add it in to Company of Heroes 2 or Dawn of War 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK2No_-d ... re=relatedI would buy one of these but I dont feel the need to buy 3D.
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TN or IPS ? My current monitor is ips which means no matter what angle i look at it the picture stays the same.
3D monitors are all TN so the viewing angle has to be manipulated to get the best effect.
I think the image quality of the ips is superior and the 60htz v120 htz trade off is acceptable for the better quality on screen display.
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All the 3d vision 2 monitors have great adjustability in their stands. So unless you choose to look at your monitor from a weird angle then veiwing angle isn't an issue.
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Remember that the panel technology used doesn't determine everything as you can get TN screens that have higher colour accuracy than IPS screens. Also most IPS screens will still have a white tint when not viewed straight on, more commonly on eIPS.
I haven't tried all 3D screens but there are plenty of TN screens that will still have colour shifting regardless of the angle of which you are viewing at.
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Audi wrote: All the 3d vision 2 monitors have great adjustability in their stands. So unless you choose to look at your monitor from a weird angle then veiwing angle isn't an issue. Zaraq probly hangs off the **** cealing fan when he uses his computer.
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