The alternative being the awesome choice between Gillard and Abbot?

I was recently in Texas and I 'liked it' to the extent that it was really fun listening to republican radio stations and laughing at their propaganda as well as callers.

They're so brutal, blunt and straightforward over there. Nobody would bat an eyelid for Alan Jones.

Yeah, those southerners and their democracy, they probly dissown their own children if they voted for Obama.

The American political system is a veil designed to give the illusion of choice. There hasn't been a real choice since JFK. It's all a big facade, so it doesn't really matter a **** what happens.

Choice what choice what are you talking about?
Are suggesting the gnomes of Zurich infiltrated the US after JFK ? and i think the American electoral system is rather to convoluted to be a fake their is the college votes which i always think as universities which makes no sense at all.

As for the illusion of choice do mean the rest of the world is being fooled by propaganda video of people voting and this whole electoral campaign was just a Hollywood stunt by paid actors.?

Or is it that you imagine that as fast as people vote there votes go to a shredder and aren't counted.

That's the trouble with commies the democratic system is to baffling, having been spoon fed for life they have no life.

Boy I wish I new this much about world affairs. You guys are so smart!

"You hvae to vote for one of us, it's a two party system."
"Well I think I'll vote for a third party."
"Go ahead! Throw your vote away!! HA HA HA HA HA HA!"

Lol you're such a weak coward wulfy, you'd go down in one punch and **** your pants.

he's a rooshooter from dubbo mate he'd **** your **** up

***** slap you with his bible

You don't have to vote for them.

Look at the homo all full of fire, because one of his kind won big brother.

But the only time voting for another party has any influence at all is when the government doesn't control the house of reps. Otherwise, if one of the major parties has control of the lower house, a vote for the Greens or an independent or one of those lunatic parties has absolutely no effect what so ever.

irony...you call someone that when you know the results of big brother.

Pleeese eexplaian

your actually forgetting that neither side controlled it last election, it was only gillards blowjob skills that got her across the line. otherwise we would have had a hung parliment and neither of them would be able to get their **** across.

oh were in surpluss but its not the 1.5 billion we wanted lets cut some stuff to make it. that way the rba can cut the rates so the banks are happy.

indeed the very balanced government meant a vote for independents especially the greens meant your vote was definitely effective and because the independents and greens how the balance then many minority issues and problems have been solved because the 2 major parties actually had to come to the table and compromise.

If either of the 2 parties had won outright it would not have been such a good outcome

And wulfy hasn't a leg to stand on with his "omg obama ruined the USA economy" - its like listening to alan jones make up facts to wind up outer suburb mental defectives. Its all rant and half truths mixed in with just enough fear and hate to get a reaction.

But dont take my word for it. The daily show did an interview with Barack Obama in which jon stewart ask the same questions wulfy never knew the right answers to:

The Daily Show – President Barack Obama
http://www.thedailyshow.com/

The above official site has Daily Show Full Episodes but i found the below link to the actual ep worked better

http://www.sockshare.com/file/84FA8D48D0FF3B7A&smaller#

I do dissagree about a vote for the greens having no effect what so ever. A vote for the greens or giving the greens a say in either the upper or lower house has negative effects for Australia.
I do think how ever that Australia does need a 3rd party. somewhere in between the libs an labour. would be good. Not some far left/right party. (eg greens) which we do seem to get every now and again.

Ok. Maybe i could go live in your world. A world where facts and figures don't exists. In left winged propgandaland. where left winged pollies get asked lollipop questions.
Bit sad rules that you try and act so well informed. yet rely on ''news sites'' whose idea of a hard hitting follow up question is ''wow'' Or ''OK''

the green party is exactly where labor was 20ish years ago on many issues.

But wulfy you have absolutely no idea of any green policies. What the party has achieved. And where they are heading. Tell me im wrong.

I could make 5 on 1 in that you are one of those **** that hear "green party" and think feral hippies with dreadlocks riding around in VB Kombie vans or sitting around camp fires and blockading logging camps and chanting "save the whales"

Your actually amazing ignorant for someone who's so inadequate that they routinely have to brag about how smart they are and that they have superior debate skills



the daily show - unlike your favorite fox news does not pretend to be "a news show". What it does have is an interview with Obama where he is asked the questions you are clueless about. He gives answers about the economy and the recovery.

You can certainly stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and not watch it but if you don't want to listen to the actual president talking about the actual **** your accusing him of then GTFO of the debate because im not going to transcribe all the KO answers he has to every one of your issues with him.

KO answers wulfy - night night

All the independents did is sell their votes to Labor. It was outright bribery yet disturbingly legal.

It's not good for all australians, its good for those specific 4-5 electorates at the expense of the rest of the country.

Not labor bashing, the Liberals would have done the same thing. It's a failure of the political system that their marginal votes are more important than other peoples.

Lord Vagabob your officially a **** head and a dumb **** head at that

Really? such as?


And what have they ''achieved''?


No.I understand that **** come in all shapes and sizes. Not just dredlock wearing kombi van drivers. I also understand that greens do more than sit around camp fires masturbating each other. hey also ruin countries economies. Because the yare uneducated ****. who really have no real grasp on the world outside Coffee shops


what weak minded ppl see has ignorance is just confidence. I know you come from a world where ppl all get a gold medal in races etc.



I know what the daily show is. And despite wha tit says it can be classed as a news show. As you said. It gives interviews(Even though onesided) And so what if obama answered anything. he still isn't doing a good job. what were the answers? where they good answers? If so why hasn't he implemented them? ou're exactly their target audience rules. Dumb, lazy and full of themselves.
And no.. I don;t watch fox news

Like i said rules. If he has the answers why is his economy still in the **** house? how long can he continue to blame Bush?

Rules is in such a rage that he is even attacking ppl who are being unbiased. His idiol has been destroyed by a high school drop out. And he is in such a weakend state he is lashing out at everyone.

poor ruleofbookz he has gone full ........

wulfy **** read: i said im not transcribing a free to view show that is one link away - obama answers your questions and you have nothing. You wont watch the interview because you want to pretend you have something

likewise want to read the greens achievements?

http://greens.org.au/

they have them on the website: they are put in a way that is simple and easy to read such as what they aimed for how they went about it and what they achieved or have yet to achieve.

but again you will not go there and look at a list you would rather be ignorant and believe you are right then be educated and know you are dumb

as for Lord Vagabob look at all current threads not just this one.

He is one of those **** that in a discussion refuses to admit a single point made if it doesnt agree with his view because he wouldnt not want to be seen to lose. He not only refuses to see he wont meet you half way.

the perfect example is his view that energy retail prices on our power bills are only been raised due to the carbon tax. he wont admit that gold plating - documented and gone to independent review that has reached the report stage (very damning reports) that state very clearly that energy corps are making huge profits and over spending in unnecessary and wasteful ways

but to Lord Vagabob no no its the carbon tax and naughty labor! Eyes wide shut.

and yet again right in this thread where he think that the greens and independents somehow made devil deals when he refuses to se that all politicians and parties make deals every day for all sorts of things including promises but he conveniently ignores this to try to make up **** about greens and independents - who is he trying to kid?

and yes zaraq usually im quite moderate and open to discussion i like getting involved in sharing ideas but with people like wulfy the troll retard wanna be wise man and lord V the close minded right wing **** its difficult and i think its a case of:

“If you let people believe that you are weak, sooner or later you're going to have to kill them".
― Don Winslow, Savages

No figurehead will save the economy of a superpower in 4 or 8 years, once an economy has been ruined it takes decades to recover.

No ****.

politics (n.) 1520s, "science of government," from politic (adj.), modeled on Aristotle's ta politika "affairs of state," the name of his book on governing and governments, which was in English mid-15c. as "Polettiques." Also see -ics.
Politicks is the science of good sense, applied to public affairs, and, as those are forever changing, what is wisdom to-day would be folly and perhaps, ruin to-morrow. Politicks is not a science so properly as a business. It cannot have fixed principles, from which a wise man would never swerve, unless the inconstancy of men's view of interest and the capriciousness of the tempers could be fixed. [Fisher Ames (1758-1808)]
Meaning "a person's political allegiances or opinions" is from 1769.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=politics

yes nings but either wulfy is trolling or just has bad intel - the economic collapse brought about by bush and his puppets was the 2nd worst economic disaster just short of the great depression.

but since the worst of that collapse (where wulfy's intel suggests we still are) the obama administration has created 5 million jobs, stabilized the housing market and given health care (the same kind of health care that we take for granted here) to millions that previously could never hope to have it and all while being blocked at every turn by the republicans

You have to view it not only in terms of "achievements" or what he did but his administration has blocked **** idea's to worsen the situation and taken a stance against the very few super rich who could profit from the economic collapse and ensuing poor conditions and made it better for the much much vaster majority

You never let us in, or show us who you are. It's like I don't even know you. Why are you so afraid of opening yourself up?

Rape victim?

Plato, Aristotle and ruleofbookz were involved in sharing ideas when....


One can only suspect that Lord Vagabob burnt the porridge to earn such a rebuke.

Porridge is a luxury, stones and thistles are the staple diet of the great philosophers.

Are you an 80yr old women? just asking.

Why ? you want a root.

false teeth will be removed

Xeper the Unbannable such a sexy old codger.

I love how people on this forum get so upset discussing the politics of another country, one that no one here has any involvement in.

I found Vagabob to be a level headed and intelligent person. They are few and far between... As rules is intent on showing.

zaraq you talk of burning porridge but have u ever seen me make a windex comment?

why dont u now go over threads where certain sections of the community go after you because of your more "esoteric" posts and tell me if im one of those who dismiss or belittle your input out of hand

intelligence is not wisdom squid - some of the worst periods and events of human history have been perpetrated by the most intelligent of men.

And you talk of level headed? ha. why not go over to the random thought thread and see his comments that energy prices are a labor tax problem and not that over privatization and deregulation has lead to unbridled greed and waste at a foundation level, reported on and proven, and his reply is to take quotes randomly without keeping context as a fair argument topped off with a funny cartoon.

yeah intelligent and level headed guy

all in brawl fight fight fight!

Actually the video doesn't play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AOeSrLCD-U


sockshare works perfect 2 dif pcs 2 dif networks and ISPs - its your end

ruleofbookz you seem to be shocked at my response,what did you think was going to happen when you behave like a fcn spastic running around like a hooligan punching and kicking people in the face?

It all seemed in context and in keeping with the topic to me... Could it be that he doesn't agree with you, and you don't like that? His addition of Homer to point out a contradiction that a person could be mulling over seemed funny and poignant to me. Given the bile and rage you've been spewing, I find it hard not to picture you skimming over everything he wrote, not really understanding it, just bristling with hatred and wanting to yell at him till he stops...

... I get that picture from a lot of people in the intrawebs.

Hey at least he's not another war mongering white trash c*** that makes hitler look good... like the last president. If the republicans keep idiots on their side like Donald Trumpsta, they will never win another term.

Yeah that's why I made the point of saying that it's irrelevent when a party holds control of the house of reps.

You're right though, the independents had (have?, nfi haven't watched politics related news in ages) deciding votes in the parliament. But more often than not, in my completely unsubstatiated opinion, a vote for a minor party is about as useful as not voting at all.

Add to that living in safe labor or liberal seats and an opposing vote is useless anyway.

But the reason I do vote is because I don't think anyone deserves the right to ***** about the current government/state of politics in Australia if they choose not to vote correctly or at all.

I may be the OP but its eveyrthing that is posted after that determines the out come of the thread.

Hey if you all love america and boring missionary sex that they have in america why don't you all go live there and become naturalised citizens and then not vote because it isn't compulsory, but having boring missionary sex while wearing jeans up to your arm pits is compulsory and you will enjoy doing that.

Actually it is both ends. As i get the web site. But the vid says "sorry, this video is unavailable from your location. But the question remains. If obammy has all the answers, why is the country still **** up? Why wont he fix it?

What you hating on the U.S for? Some states allow you ppl to get married.