i kind of see what you say but for me it is not matter of punishing the responsible, it is more, if this drug or substance have little impact\role (i only do it now and then) in your life, then why so important to keep? can you not give up small occasional enjoyment?

freedom is long subject, but i believe we have no real freedom, your body will grow old and take you with it and during it's time seek to control you with hunger and other forms of stimulus\pain, and if world decide to go boom you go with it, we do not have freedom but we have some limited choices

if we base decisions on freedom we would have no gun regulations, driver's license etc. right? we control\limit this things, we take these freedoms away for the greater benefit


i honestly not think legalization of marijuana will solve and instead make worse, it has not helped alcohol or gambling, because of illegal nature of marijuana i was limited in how often i could obtain and i am very glad this was so

already at our youth center children from 12+ smoke cigarette and is hard to control, imagine if they had access to marijuana? there is small number within these who already do have access to marijuana through their parents\siblings, you would not be so positive of this substance if you saw these children rabbits

and simply calling them low class white trash does not do, they are product of society and we are all members of this society and accountable in my view

Yeah, I never have the balls to drive. So I've eaten apples and peaches before. They still tasted awesome. I normally hate peaches.

Is it,

1.5x - 3x^2/16 +c

We shouldn't have to, that's the point. And comparing growing a plant from nature in your own backyard, to wielding a firearm that can kill people, is indicative of just how little you have to justify your position.

There is a mountain of evidence to show the detrimental impact of prohibition, and the major benefits of legalisation in countries like the Netherlands, but you're not willing to look at evidence. You'll keep ignoring facts and compelling arguments, in favour of a position driven by nothing but ignorance and emotion.

decriminalization over legalization

oh im sorry you forgot that theres no polar bears at the north pole and doctors hand out tablets for no reason what so ever so you have no common sense.

oh shi....

this i did not do, just like: driver license, age restrictions, parking, traffic lights etc. society is built on limiting liberties to create order and stability, this i pointed out

you can say "we shouldn't have to" but i think you take you rights for granted, your quality of life is provided by society, your safety and health is provided to you by society, just being human does not grant you anything, we had to work very hard to provide safety & health for all



i am tired of this though, i say nasty things to you and i not like this, i believe you have romantic view on drugs just as i have resentful view, but i strongly hope in future society become less reliant on substance for fun instead of becoming further exploited by tobacco, alcohol, drug etc.

Which drug inparticular was it you had a bad "experience" with sweaty?
Maybe we could ban just that one?

He took the blue pill

took the date rape drug and forgot who he raped.

doh!

At the current time I am in full agreeance withju cherocha, maybe you arent such a **** afterall, also did you ban me for langauge i swear someone did

ITT

Bunch of Nerds on a game forum who think they know more about the well being of Australia and its people, more than the Government, Ministers of Law and Defence Force.

/thread



BTW, proven fact = Weed leads people to heroin/LSD/Crack at an extremely higher rate than Alcohol or Just going from Nothing at all to heavy drugs.

After all the hipsters and **** get high on legal weed, they will then be trying to legalise Injected drugs.

You still don't get it. Those of us who smoke it just occasionally, are not "reliant" on it to have fun. We do it because it can be extremely pleasurable, and enhance the good feelings given by many activities.

You didn't have this experience, so your whole view has been coloured and you can't get past that. You seem totally incapable of exploring this objectively, or looking at it from our point of view.

A driver's license is not a liberty, it's a privilege. Planting a seed in the ground is not a privilige, it's something people have been doing for thousands of years, maybe even tens of thousands of years in the case of marijuana. It's not until Kissinger and William Randolph Hearst created massive propaganda campaigns in the US against marijuana, that the view you have on it was conceived, and insidiously propagated in the minds of the dumb and uneducated.

You're opinion is twisted Panda... That gateway drug thing is a lie. After drinking alcohol I've smoked ciggarettes, taken pills, smoked weed and a couple of other things, you get the idea... If anything is a gateway to anything, it's alcohol.

The only thing weed has lead me to is food.

Protip: he's trolling.

cigarettes kill. if they were invented today, well you can guess. but they weren't. imagine the cost of packets of legalised drugs, due to the cost burden to society? now you begin to realise legalisation will never happen. and if it does, the cost will be so high as to require the continuation of a black market.

so instead trade flourishes in underground movements and one need look no further than mexico to see the effect generated. in a world where driving 3km over the limit will net you a large fine in the interest of lowering the road toll, ( 96 this yr V 93 last yr) do you think this society will allow you to squander your taxpaying/taxdraining life on such dangerous chemicals where the individual reaction can never be measured empiracally?

use your sense of reason-even if it means standing outside your own corner of the box, look at the whole. you cannot in good conscience reliably condone drug taking to another as the result is guaranteed to be unpredictable. that makes you responsible. at best you can say, " this is what happened to me". "try it at your own peril"

drugs destroy lives. and the lives of the others around the destroyed. its much more common than the "enlightened individual". the impact is huge. it ranges form cigarettes/alcohol through marijuana/chroming paint. all are chemical reactions, and while you can gauge a "expected response" its like fkn anaethesia, bee stings, peanuts or shell fish. anyone can have a negative response. stop being so immature and grow up. stop defending what is in essence, glue sniffing.

oh /raises hand....

has done lsd, speed, MJ, but not anymore. not for 15 yrs.

still smoke 25/30 every day, drink at least 8L wine or spirits per week, 38 hr worker, regularly speed, had my triumph up to 270kmh just 3 days ago. but i dont condone my behaviour, or encourage it in others.


thas what prolific homo-sexuals do. have you noticesd?

Except for in the Netherlands, and with the medical dispensiaries in the states, where decriminalisation resulted in massive revenue generated in tax, reductions in tax for the costs associated with incarceration of individuals involved solely with marijuana, decreases in drug related violent crime, and the black market marijuana trade being reduced to a fraction of what it was.

So basically when it was put into practice, and not just in the Netherlands, but with an unofficial policy of no enforcement in Switzerland - what happened was the complete opposite of everything you just said. Do you just make assumptions on what you think will happen, and not bother at all to look at what has already happened? And i'm not just talking about examples in Europe, I mean historically; why it was made illegal, and the repercussions of that for generations on people incarcerated; on the state in spending over a trillion dollars on the failed war on drugs, and much more than that on prisons; on the countless thousands of lives lost for both law enforcement agencies, and people in the general public who got caught in the crossfire.

The rest of your post is **** nonsense. I don't just mean in that you're wrong, I mean it's actually a bunch of vague, nonsensical ****, with no examples or elaboration on what points you're even trying to convey. I know you mentioned Mexico, and tried to say that we couldn't measure reactions "empiracally (sic)", and that's pretty funny, because we can, and have, in quite a few studies.

Then it was all down hill until you hit on a few gems like comparing it with chroming and sniffing glue. I already knew you weren't the sharpest tack from the fact that you're an alcoholic bigot, and if I didn't know better I'd think that you surely must be trolling, but I know that you are legitimately as **** as you make out.

yeah but the reason the dutch policy works? its education from pre school age. they dont say, "youll be a criminal, youll go to jail". they say " its best not to do it, but if you do.. etc etc" remember, they had this going since mid seventies, those kids grew up to be 40 and theirkids are indoctrinated too. they dont see drugs the same way as us, they are not the lifestyle choice they are here. they dont define groups. "emo" "junkie" "bogan" etc. they are beyond the borders.

thats why hiv is low, and addicts are mainly aging immigrants from other countries seeking refuge. its like i said in my post

that is the humanitarian route the northern europeans have taken, and it works, because kids want to be successful in life. their culture of efficiency and success is very different to our own australian laid back shell be right one. it wont happen here.

heres a link i got just now first one to show "cultural prefernce of dutch folks"

http://www.expatfocus.com/expatriate-netherlands-holland-culture i had to check to see i could prove the **** i just wrote lol =)

no, I don't think so. The method I used was "partial decomposition of fractions".

So 3x/[(x-2)(x+4)] = 1/(x-2) + 2/(x+4), then treat the two terms as two seperate integrands and they integrate to: ln|x-2| + 2ln|x+4| + c (because if u = ln(x) then du/dx = 1/x)

This thread is now about integration by partial decomposition of fractions.

Mathematics what a rubbery little fellow, i watched some maths guys trying to figure out the source of the universe they never came up with a proper maths solution that was satisfactory they just fantasized that because 1+1 = 2 then the universe must contract down to a single molecule then expanded back out thus reinstalling the universe making the big bang theory look a bit like the flat earth idea .


My theory based on advanced hyper-theory mathematical conjunctivitis is the dog god hooch went woof and the universe existed.

How old are you nummersechs? I have drunk like that for about 10/12 years but last year failed 3 liver function test when I was trying to get an extraordinary drivers lic. Ended up having to go 3 weeks without a drink to pass.
Had to do one the other day to get my full lic. back and failed. I managed to pass after one and a half weeks not drinking.
Have you ever done a liver function test?
I'd say alcohol does 10x the damage of any other drug to society. The only thing on par would be cigarettes.

too bad that isnt going to happen there will be no big crunch it is flat and will expand forever

glad you got it audi, even if it took a bit of perseverance and lifestyle changes. im over 40. i learnt to drink in the army, well before the camouflage uniforms and yes its a problem, in its own way. there was a very different culture in the late 80s and early 90s in the army.. i have no problem saying im dependant, but i also would claim i am responsible within that dependancy. its also well legal, innit.

as long as it doesnt impact my work, relationships or things i wish to do (such as gain a license) im ok with that. in the end its only something like 4 standard wine glasses an evening. its not like i binge in all that drink in 2 sessions =/.

I have cut right down now, from all the days in a month I would only drink half of them now. Where as before it was every single day a 6 pack or bottle of wine atleast.
Nummersechs if you drink 8 litres of wine a week thats a lot more than 4 standard drinks a night.
It's more like 9 standard drinks a night. Which is the same as a six pack.
Or do you hammer it on the weekends and only hav a couple glasses each night?

You're right thou drinking isn't considered a problem until lifestyle or people around you are affected, no mater how much you drink.
The term functioning alcoholic springs to mind. I was doing fine till I lost my lic....

∫[(x³ - 2x) / (2x² - 3x + 2)] dx
= x²/4 + 3x/4 - (3/16)ln| 2x² - 3x + 2 | + [33/(8√7)] arctan[(4x - 3)/√7] + C

I use to drink like a fish. Then i got bored of it. Now i rarely if ever drink. I do enjoy a nice beer now n again though.

bieltanman I think things that are flat stretch and things going all directions expand.

I don't think the universe is stretching other wise it would be denser at the outer edge and thinner in the centre.
And things that stretch sometimes recoil so the universe might retract in on itself if it is stretching.

it will keep expanding not streching and soon(a few trillion years) there will be a heat death were the universe will run out of heat and it will be dark and cold

Though neither are correct zaraq theory is more sound.

it isnnt zaraqs theroy fot that to be true the universe has to be closed a experment in the south pole strongly suggests the universe is flat so a big crunch cant happen

I'm sorry, you lost me at "chroming" and "glue sniffing".

what is correct please tell us

Ps the earth is not flat and gas expands when heated it doesn't go flat or stretch.

according to that quote we are the center of the universe



there are many quotes saying **** this one is from wiki
and the nature of spacetime is not like a gas

Do you honestly think that because it’s illegal it makes it harder to obtain? Sweaty I’d recommend you read up on this subject a little more before settling on the view that it should be illegal. Start by looking at the history of weed in the States. The detailed history is actually quite interesting. What you will find is that it was done for all the wrong reasons, everything from social control, immigration control (weed was of course first brought into the states by Mexicans) to purely economical reasons like Hearst’s little adventure to secure his paper industry. Or nowadays an excuse for intervention and counter insurgency operations across the globe (look at South America) to get rid of drugs that are hurting Americans (while they export tobacco which kills far more). There was a time when they got some guy to give testimony that weed actually makes people go insane (he was giving it to dogs if I recall correctly), the US congress bought it too. Then not long after defence lawyers caught onto the fact that they could exonerate their clients with this. People were getting off for all sorts of violent crimes. Then it was decided that it doesn’t actually make you go insane.

You’ve definitely had a very backwards experience with regards to weed but don’t let that affect your decision, look at the overall history. Also do you mind losing the persona when you’re trying to convey your views on important subjects? It makes it difficult to take you seriously.

Personally I think all drugs should be made legal. We are never going to stop drug use. Drugs are not going away, like them or hate them. Therefore the only smart thing to do is legalise them, that way you get rid of the criminal element. You can then tax it and provide prevention and treatment. Which has been understood, for quite some time now, to be the most cost effective way to combat drug use. The alternative, incarceration, prohibition, police work etc is far more costly.

One would have to assume that if you carry out the same policy on drugs or “war on drugs”, decade after decade, and it has absolutely no effect on curbing drug use then its stated objectives must be something entirely different. That’s why it’s important to look at the historical record. When you do that’s when you begin to understand the true nature of the drug trade.

I couldnt remember how to make the equation easier to intergrate so I just intergated the top and the bottom and simplified.

Had a good feeling it wasnt that easy tho.

I was looking at intergrating by parts too but my silly old brain couldnt get its groove on and remember which function to use.

cant believe everyone got this wrong. heres how you do it:

so you get 3x24dx now they are all together and integrate in society without the boundarys of /[]() holding them back.

Universe, stretching, what?

I'm sorry but your post is overflowing with stupid.


Atoms, Neuros, Cosmos particle makeup **** and so on, doesn't "stretch". They stay as the same particle density, they multiply or move. They certainly do not stretch like a rubber band. Therefor they certainly do not constrict after a "stretch" that never happened because it's **** and not real.

"Expanding" through "Multiplication / Duplication / Outward Movement" then "Shrinking" through "Destruction / Combining / Inward Movement" would make a lot more sense.

Stop inhaling Windex.

bieltanman if you fly out of the earth's orbit beyond the stratosphere i am not sure how you describe that substance the generic term is "space" or "vacuum" clearly these terms are incorrect because many objects are sustained in momentum and are suspended if "space" exists it must be a substance in its own right.

This substance that i will call bloink is holding the universe as we know it in place stopping the planets from going on crazy centric orbits and flying willy nilly all over the place.

Therefore bloink is the substance that holds the universe in place and it bloink that is expanding and eventually Aphrodite's first law of mumbo jumbo says that the fabric of time is not infinite and will return to a stasis eventually.

One of the most important scientific debates of the last 5 years has been entirely about this topic... ready?


"It all depends on how you define 'nothing'."

It would seem Professor Pandaemonean that you are from the school of mufti headed muffle waffers who through lack of an education have been reduced to squatting down and giving a less than erudite opinion all the while peeling potatoes for your daily bread.

That actually is what we are saying: the war on drugs does the destroying. The same as any war. You believe getting rid of the drug is the answer but the real answer is to Stop the war - decriminalize - and you will see less lives destroyed and, over time, a better culture.

If you go to Netherland the Dutch feds want you to have a "weed pass" because criminals are buying all the weed and taking it out of the country. So who has a cry and gets their lawyers? the cafes profiting from the weed trade to the tourists.

jesus ****

dark matter speeds up the galaxys
we dont know enough to talk about this thou so we should stop talking

The other day I put an image up explaining how to get a better high off windex.
But it turned out to be chlorine gas (it kills people). So I had to quickly edit and remove the image before you tried it, I didn't want to be sued for your death.

**** windex wd40 does a better job at everything.