Round 1 is complete.
Round 2 fixture will be issued when all teams have forwarded to me their map/time/day selections.

Round 2 (Semi-Finals) Sunday 9th December – Thursday 13th December

F5-WF1 (Shallow Profanity) vs WF4 (Team Revolt) - Sunday 9th Dec 9:30PM Grand Bazaar - Result - Shallow Profanity d Team Revolt 633 - 0

F6-WF2 (AIM Recon) vs WF3 (TOG|Ravens) - Grand Bazaar - Monday 10th Dec 9:30PM - Result - TOG|Ravens d AIM 183 - 32

Map/Time Submission Deadlines
Thursday 6th December 9:00pm - Deadline for round 2 Maps and Times

I hate that there is no spectator mode in BF3

We would've had recordings up from last night...

...

... but both our dedicated recorders forgot to hit record. Hahaha.

Let me get this straight, we actually get to play a game?

Thats not a given at all...

What is happening? I sent a couple of pm's and nada...

I have sent details of your match via email about 5 mins ago.
I am waiting to hear from SP now.
I shall write up a new thread as soon as both games are scheduled.

Urgh. Monday? Boo, TOG! Why no Sunday game? D:

See you Monday!

OP updated.

BOL to Revolt for Sunday, the AuG/FanT boys will see you there.

Can I just have it confirmed by Pinge that the XBow is not allowed in the remainder of the finals? Not played with it all season, shouldn't start in a final.

To use them in the finals would be just dumb. The setting will be the same as we have used all season. You wont be able to select them even if you have aftermath.

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Aha! Awesome. I forgot that such things weren't available to be selected! That makes things easier.

Yeah, we had a 4s SqR game the other day, and XBow was available. Thought it might be the same here. Glad it's not.

The latest DLC packs are not included in the ladder at this point.
No point in using something that is not available to every player.

Shallow Profanity Vs Revolt

SP wins 633-0

Well done SP for the win and TR for the good season.
Hope it has been enjoyable for you during this season of the 16v16 CQ ladder.

Thanks Pinge. We had fun until near the end of the season.

Unfortunetly many of us lost interest in the game, and we could not be bothered to recruit more players.

Would like to bring one thing up.

GG SP on the win, we won't be contesting the result, even though the player who raped us all game in the APC was being smurfed and another player was unlisted. It kind of sucks, You had 2 full clans of players to chose from, and instead of playing us 14v14 you decided to **** players in, 1 of which drastically changed the result of the game (He went 32-0 or something in the APC). It may not have effected the result, but it sure as hell would of made it a ton closer and probably a very even game.

Next time we meet in a game, please use your own players. And play short handed like we did to keep within the rules, we had 20+ people down in the PS2 channel we could have 'smurfed in' however we played within the rules.

GL in the final, Though im not sure how much joy you will be able to take from it all things considered.

Unfortunately that's not true.

I had to play on my brother's PC because I haven't and don't really plan to download the patch (until I get bored of PS2).

Look, I wont get into an arguement about it. We just don't care enough, I'd just prefer people knew the truth about it.

People can decide for themself.

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OK, you got me. Maybe it's just I don't have a lot of respect for people who have the arrogance to say that it directly influenced the result when you clearly got outclassed across the board.

16v14, 2 extra players for one.

Both the players 'smurfed in' directly influenced the game getting a large number of kills.

Yes, we probably wouldn't have won, considering we barely play the game anymore. But it would have been nice to play on an even and fair playing field.

It is just disappointing for our members who do still play the game and didn't get a fair shot because of this.

I actually get a long with and have a high level of respect for more than a few of your players. It is just a shame that this sort of thing goes on.

Nussbuster you denied having smurf and had the chance to come clean. You didn't thats where the respect, though little you had, was lost.

Like second has said we don't want to contest the outcome because it most likely wouldn't change. We had a side of 14 and also had players drop. We didn't smurf or have other step in to play that are not on our list. Even with guys sitting in TS that play BF3. You have a team that has merged a number of clans to stay at the top of the ladder ensuring numbers are there to FIELD teams. Your team should have a better MORAL compass to play inside the RULES, that clearly state no smurfing.

Enjoy the win, the result may not have changed but atleast it would have been by the book

Too game ops and teams left in the finals. Check the teams and make sure the game is played fairly. A good ladder has been ruined by poor stances on rules. (My opinion not meant to be an attack.)

A good ladder.

I don't know how this is a good ladder when all 7 teams are barely active. There aren't even enough teams for finals.

And apparently I had little respect prior to this incident; would like to know what I did to you guys before this. I'm not surprised you don't respect me now, but I don't actually know who the **** you are so my memory needs jogging as to how I **** you off.

Oh I also need to reply to this.

**** you. Seriously. You're not the first team to be of that opinion, but it's so far from true or fair that it's barely worth the effort of me explaining. But I will anyway.

This is a 16s ladder yes? FantasyBattlefield has 8 active members and a couple that drop in every now and then. Aurora Gaming has something like 12 active BF3 players (and yes I use active in a very loose way) and probably a few more casual members. Neither of us have enough to field a 16s team on our own. Adding our numbers we get 16 and at least 4 reserves, which is ideal. A lot of us play together in pubs and post on the same forums, so why is it a problem for everyone else if we play together? Why do people insist on thinking that others game for glory? Is that what you guys do? Is that why you're cut up about this? As far as I know, we only play together in this Kn0b team to have a laugh with our friends.

EDIT: And yes I realise truth and fairness coming from me is a bit ironic now, but this post is sincere.

I cannot concur on the ladder being run well as it was doomed the day S/P formed and was allowed to play.

I think the general attitude is this influenced the ladder to the degree that genuine teams lost interest.

Hence why there were teams dropping from the ladder even before finals.

The majority of Clans (I noted 2 clan tags last night) involved in S/P should have had suffice players to form individual teams and if couldn't then should have done what the rest of the teams did and actively recruit NEW players.

The general attitude going into the match last night was to have the dignity to see it out but knowing the outcome was written.

Its a sad day for G/A as i'm sure the general attitude across clans will be that what has allways been a very professional run ladder should unfortunatly fall foul of a group who bend and break rules for one outcome.

This is not intended as an individual attack on anyone just an observation of outcomes.

It truly is sad that it should end this way.

I'm not gonna sit here and try to defend the smurfing, but do any of you really expect me to take you seriously with comments like this? These sentences I've singled out are so pathetic it's not funny. Smurfing aside, if Highstakes had actually done as I told him to months ago and actually registered for the team you'd still have these opinions. That's more depressing than my lie could ever be.

I'd be exponentially more apologetic had you guys not said those things.

Is the smurfing allegation true?

Just throwing it out there. The ladder would not be here if teams did not combine. You would have a total of what, 4 teams that could maybe get 16. I would not call that a ladder. Also note that FanT has finished in top 4 - 5 in every ladder GA 16's, GA 10's rush and CGo 8's. This is not our first run at ladders. we have faced combined teams in the past, never complained because we were happy that it was another team to play. We saw them as learning experiences. We couldn't get the 16 but wanted to have some fun hence the combined team. In no way does a combined team destroy a ladder as you say it does.

It is.

Unfortunatly yes as admitted above

It's this that's got me seeing red at Team Revolt. There was absolutely no reason for them to even bring our combined clan nature into this, but to say stuff like this:



The level of weakness shown here is remarkable. What part of combining two clans would doom a ladder?

I already know the answer to this question, and I suspect a lot of others do too. I'm not mean enough to say it given the circumstances, but I would genuinely like to hear how you justify saying what you guys said.

yes, please see above for evidence and nussbuster's admission.


nussbuster

You can explain it all you like. The fact remains, I don't stand alone in the community for thinking your side (SP) are out to win it at the cost of good sportsmanship. This finals match was testament to this statement.

Regardless of what the clans (SP) reasons for merging were, the perceived reason by the community for forming this clan (SP) was to win and dominate the ladder. Rightly or wrongly this is how being an opponent is felt. Your (SP) side like ours (TR) struggled to put numbers together, the difference is we (TR) played short and for the fun of it. This was evident by both side last night not able to field sides, again the only difference being we (TR) played short.

You asked why we say the things we did, it is because your clan (SP) smurfing shows you will do anything to win, including the possibility of merging with another good clan to win.

Why didn't you (SP) mention to us you intended to play other player? Why didn't you (SP) play short? You (SP) decided to smurf players instead of backing your ability, which there is plenty of even with 2 short. So expecting us to think anything other than your here to win and destroy the ladder is naive.

You won well done but honestly the game ops should be removing you from the finals for breach of the rules.

MY CASE AND POINT......you finished in the top 5 position on most ladders which would mean you had a team so WHY merge with another side.

I can understand a team that struggled on the bottom of the ladder, with multiply forfeits and had a low number of players on the team list but FanT certainly didn't fill any of these situations. Then you wonder why we come to these conclusions.

Wow are you guys serious? What difference does a clan tag make? What the hell is the difference between two smaller clans playing in a combined team to a larger team?

Btw I haven't played in a month and last nights match was easier than pub, go start a handycap ladder if you're so concerned about going up against "stronger combined" teams.

Also GG

This essentially reads as "we and all the other teams don't like it that there's a team that is better at BF3 than us". There, I said it. The same kind of thing happened with Karnage Krew. They were in a class of their own compared to us, but here we are. Are we actually that much better than everyone else competing? I didn't think so but this is changing my opinion.


Utterly pathetic. If there's anyone else who feels this way you should be embarrassed. If you don't like not being the best, either get better or don't compete. Again, I really didn't think we were that far above the other teams that they'd think this but that just shows how low the skill level in this ladder has fallen.

That was a mistake, but it ended up being an ok one to make since it caused you to expose your inferiority complex.

Wow. That's incredible. You're using our friendship with other reasonably skillful players against us.

I hope you're aware that it's not teams like us that ruin ladders. It's teams like you, who share your attitude and opinions. Teams that want to compete in a ladder but don't like that there's a team that they don't think they can beat, and whinge on the forums about it or drop from the ladder because of it. We wronged you, there's no doubting that. However by your own admission the result would have been the same. Your opinions (and if I'm to believe you the rest of the community's opinions) about our merger would be the same.

^ And astro has single handedly displayed why so many of the community become frustrated and lose respect and interest in the game, when people talk and behave this way.

*Scratch that, Nussbuster has done it too.

Rookie, I think the issue was not so much them having the quality of player, but the quantity. I mean, [AIM] have 71 in our Conquest team, and we've been lucky to have a choice of 20 for this final series. Several clans have combined in the past to get numbers.

[AIM] have no problem with the combined team. It's not like it's the first time to happen --- didn't Australia win the International Cup or whatever it was with a team made up of multiple clans? --- and, while, yes the SP team is a bit OP with the players they have, it's not like they're a team made of hackers, but just good players. Whatever. We were looking forward to a good fight when/if it came time to take you on.


I don't think that's the problem here. With the ladder or otherwise. To say this ladder hasn't been good is a bit harsh to those who are in it and those who run it. It's been a fairly played ladder, and, while it has been quiet, that's mainly been, in the last couple of months, due to most teams also being in 10s Rush and an unspoken agreement not to double up during finals period.


The problem here is a) the smurfing, and b) the unregistered player.

Ignoring that people think combining clans is unfair or unsportsmanlike (which it's not --- it's just essential to get a team at present), the thing is how unfair and unsportsmanlike you played last night. You clearly saw that the other team only had 14 players. Going from above, you went into the game "knowing" you were going to stomp them. Why not go "They only have 14, so we won't play an unregistered player and smurf in another, and just play with the 14 legitimate players we have"? Instead, you ensured you had the upper hand and didn't exactly play fair. It wasn't an accident at all --- you went into the game knowing, well and truly in advance, that you were going to be playing against the rules. Not exactly cool.

It is unfortunate, but going from every other admin decision this season and last, playing unregistered players without agreement from the other team will surely cost you your position in the grand final. So many other teams have been dealt the same punishment, so it's only fair to past teams and the ones still playing that it occurs.

I don't know what unregistered player they're talking about. As far as I was aware everyone in the game had a registered name

HuntingEquation.

You're the ones who rock up to a semi finals and not even try (as you have admitted or more likely used as an excuse yourself) and then come on a forum and cry about a combined team. Wake up to yourselves, people like your team are what what destroy ladders, not us.

You know I have mad love for you Nuss and for Fant, but if you guys smurfed then that game has to be forefeited. Wtf were you thinking?!

Oh ****, the AFL is ruined because the Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy Lions merged.

I can see the grand final result already. AIM/TOG 633 TR 0. Enjoy the no contest.

I have not problem with combined teams lets just be clear about this. I do have a problem with the arrogant BS that comes out of the mouths of narrow minded tards like astro above. Couple that with smurfing and the must win at all cost attitudes and actions makes combined teams a deter-ant for teams as experienced in this ladder. Thats the last I will say regarding combined teams, my views should be known.

The issue that needs highlighting here, like you have put very well OeterB, is the breach in the rules. That being the blatant breach of the rules regarding smurfing and unregistered players.

Don't be too surprised, it's in our nature to do retarded things <3

We're aware that we mucked this one up badly, but I do take offense to TR's objection to combined teams.

EDIT:
@rookie
You should edit your earlier posts if you want to say that, at least you won't be contradicting yourself so blatantly.

First thing you have said thats not BS.

What I'd personally like to know is how Team Revolt didn't pull off a win when they seemingly had access to our private forums.

Judging from the screenshots above they would've had access to our team roster and strats in advance.

HA Narrow minded tard now am I? Keep slinging the insults.

Re-read your previous posts along side this one and see who looks like a tard...

Le Sigh was looking forward to playing you guys.

Why wouldn't we be allowed to play?

Some of us have played competitively together with Fant, since the start of BC2. Our two clans have always had a close relationship. The reason for the merge was not to 'dominate' the ladder. It was simply because we all loved the 16v16 matches and the epicness of them and did not have enough players to field a team. It's pretty straight forward when you think about it. Merging two clans into 16v16 matches is an absolute nightmare. But had to be done because we had over 20 guys from both clans wanting to play.

You try and recruit a couple of decent jet pilots, it can't be done. Almost all are already in their respective clans.

If us merging was such an issue, why are we only hearing about it now? Grow some balls and speak up if you don't like something.

On this issue of using an unregistered player, that is solely my fault and i take full responsibility for it. One person who said they would turn up, didn't, it was a last minute decision, and i assumed he was on our team list as he is listed in our teams on CG. Again, this is my fault, no one elses, for that i apologise to TR.

I honestly thought that smurfing was; To change a players name, either on GA or Blog so that you can get around the team list to play unregistered players. Nussbusters BROTHER played on HIS computer using HIS account. It wasn't an outsider, or deathdog, it was his flesh and blood. But i guess this is an issue judging off everyone's comments so far.

So for that, i will also take the blame, as i am one of the team captains.

I really am sorry TR, (Mainly Second) as we have known you for a while now and i do respect you.

I'm happy to take the punishment and will not play in the grand final, my team should not be punished for my actions.

As for you guys playing with only 14, i was alt-tabbed the entire time during the 'warm up' i had literally just finished playing in the 4v4v4v4 grand final 5 mins prior to our match, and was trying to organise our team. So i didn't see how many you had until we were well underway in our first round. I have done this in the past (dropped some of our players if someone was low on players) so please don't think that i did this solely to win the match. I'd prefer the challenge as we literally haven't had a 'challenging' match since we started this joint team.

Again, I am really sorry, my apologies to TR & anyone else involved, I have thoroughly enjoyed playing in the 16v16 ladder, it is well run and usually hassle free!