So, spawn camping is ok if all the flags have been taken?


But its not ok if theres still some flags under contention?
So, how about if youre being spawn camped at home you spawn somewhere else? You said yourself theres still other flags to spawn at.


Or are you the type who stands around at home base for most of the round waiting for a plane (or something) and not contributing to the game or supporting your team?
How many times have we seen numerous players standing around at the airfield waiting for planes, not contributing to the battle but then start complaining when they get bombed.
Well dont just stand there. . . do something!



And surely if theres other flags still under contention then most of the battle will be away from your home spawn. . . it would only be one or two spawn campers anoying you which Im sure isnt really that much of a problem.

Is'nt the P76 an Australian made BOMB! ?

i was happily reading this post/thread thing when i came along _elite_'s post. it read like this....


....spawn camping is hella gay.. Not killing spawners when you are going to take a flag, but going to an untakeable flag, when other flags are still in contention, then just hiding and getting kills.

You all seem to waah that its all fair because its war, but its not, its a video game, and you're being selfish in the extreme. Its immensley frustrating to spawn, die, spawn die, by some idiot who has his tank parked on the spawn point.. Alot of people just disconnect from the server, some simply don't return to the game.

You are doing yourself harm. I miss the days when online players where on the average a bit older, and had some for of 'honour'. In WW1 if a pilots machine guns jammed, he would signal his opponent, who would stop attacking and wait until the guys guns unjammed again, it was considered good form.

We play the game for fun, not because we have to, don't ruin it for other people by being a lame ****. .....


bloody good post _elite_, top stuff. i agree with u emensly.

and by the way... about the machine gun jamming thing, im not sure if its true with the pilots, but it is spot on in the trenches. the enemey commander was expected to wait until a some rounds were shot before attacking. not all did of course, but it is recorded that many did.

down with camping, it ISNT a war, its a game... have fun but not at other peoples expense.

casso

half the problem with camping is due to map design. look at berlin - great map, but the only way to win is to camp by randomly lobbing grenades over fences until everyone is dead.

same happens with stalingrad - plenty of places for an aspiring sniper to take shots at spawning enemies.

Camping sucks.........think about how enjoyable the game should be, then think about what you are doing to it for other people.

i reckon spawn camping on el al for DC is pathetic. People like...well i wont mention names but there are people out there that are really bad... they just grab a bomber of some type and send everyone to hell. thats alright in a war, but these are pubs...

Around most bases there are sandbags, bunkers, fixed MGs and buildings - defensive positions. In BG42 there are also anti-tank guns.

Spawn camping happens because no-one will defend a base. Everyone just wants to jump into the nearest tank or plane and charge rambo like at the enemy, leaving friendly bases unattended.

I collected four plane kills in an AA gun playing BG42 the other day, but when I left the gun no-one else took it. They just stood on the runway and waited to be strafed. Likewise, one AT soldier can hide in buildings and kill tanks for ages if they have no backup.

If you don't want to be killed when spawning, defend your base! Your team needs you to do this!

We mean the non cappable bases.

yeah if u defend u rack up plenty of kills, hell i got 23 from being in a SA-3. y? cos no1 realy expects ne ground pounders to be on the server on NFZ1&2 so the usal message i get is 'where da F*** did u come from?'

Spawn camping (as defined by me) is spamming into the only spawn point (usually the last uncappable flag) so that the enemy get to spawn and die within 3 seconds - without a chance to do anything, and their homebase vehicles are either stolen or constantly blowing up before people can man them and defend themselves.

The classic case of this is kharkov, when all flags are captured:
- 4 tanks roll onto the runway blowing people/vehicles up when they spawn
- 2 wespe/rocket trucks rain death down into the homebase from the hill
- 3 planes are constantly bombing the spawning area

There isn't any chance for the defenders to get out and defend themselves, and they have a right crap 'ol time playing. (and this probably causes the biggest loss of players from our community, one REALLY crappy play experience).

The only reason this doesn't happen at the moment on kursk/kharkov is that most(?) players consider it bad form - they realise they are playing other PEOPLE (not bots) and that it isn't any fun to get your **** handed to you for then next 20 minutes.

I can't really see a rule stopping this, but it is a case of 'do unto others', because having to disconnect and join a different server is the only way to prevent a wasted 1/2 hour.



And yes, the old dog, the only reason GA fun at the moment is because *most* of the good players treat non-cappable spawns as no fighting zones. It's easy to spot the new players because they strafe the airfield's in their planes or park their tanks on the enemy runway.

you guys ever heard of support?
eg. lost village, you are pitching up a tent there with a 50 cal, and killing all who spawn, all the people who spawn and die, spawn and die will get frustrated and call it spawn camping, but its for the sake of the team mates and its called support, you kill all the people who spawn to make it easier to cap the flag for team mates and yourself? isnt that right? and you guys are all talking about how you have to help the team, and not wait for a plane, how bout waiting for them instead? to spawn? it helps the team, so why is it bad?...so is there anything wrong with spawn camping at a CAPABLE flag? you guys also mention how its not fun for the people being camped, but you can basically call it revenge, cause im sure everyones been camped and everyone HAS camped...so whats the big deal?

p.s. i aint a spawn camper, but if there isnt anything else worth doing (walking across a desert for 2 minutes to get killed by a tank, BECAUSE, its considered bad form by many to wait for one) then yeh, i guess spawn camping is another alternative to help your team isnt it?

once again, the key word "uncappable" ningnong.

but people still accuse others of spawn camping at a cappable flag...

Then they're idiots.

damn spawn campers..

I agree with NastyPasty.

Iwo Jima is another one - getting pinned down to one spawn ('cap'able or not) and getting smashed by the PoW and 3 tanks, or by 500 guys lined up along the hill over the beach isn't great fun.

After 10 deaths in 30 seconds you pretty much swap servers or leave.

To those guys who think it's 'all fair in war' - it's not a 'game' unless you have some opportunity to act - why not play against bots if all you want to do is annihilate people as soon as they spawn and before they can take any action at all. Makes no difference to your gameplay, and the bots don't whinge about campers.

To those guys who think it's 'all fair in war' - it's not a 'game' unless you have some opportunity to act - why not play against bots if all you want to do is annihilate people as soon as they spawn and before they can take any action at all. Makes no difference to your gameplay, and the bots don't whinge about campers.

Best paragraph regarding spawn camping ever.

I don't agree, with the anti spawn campers.

The first job in starting a map is for the planes to race out and do 2 things. Pound into oblivion any armour coming out of the startup base and also ground the enemies plans.

Once this is done it make the game finish fairly quickly as you ground troups can go out unopposed and do their job.

Look, wherever there is a game that has players spawning in a known location there is going to be spawn campers. It is natural for anybody to take advantage of this. Maybe if you don't like this then you should write to DICE and EA asking them to make more objective type maps where players DON'T re-spawn. This would eliminate cheap tactics and add a new aspect of realism to the game!

Then there is the question of getting the game servers to host these types of maps and getting players to play them. Realism or not, it's fun to play BF1942 and it's mods and would you wait 15-30mins for you team to win so you could play the next map? If your answer is no then you have no choice but to live (or die) with the spawn campers!

PS: I personally prefer to capture flags and play for the team! If my team wins I win, regardless of FRAGS!!

i agree that if i see the opp i'll go for the kill it dosent matter where i am ur fair game

lol CLockwork AP, your first post was spot on buddy,,,now why isnt this guy writing the rules??? lmao

Don?t abuse anyone on the servers, they?ll abuse you back, and you won?t enjoy the game.
Swearing is tolerated, but not when it?s offensive or gratuitous or abusive.

(terms & conditions)

I'm sick to death of people spamming other players with abuse for spawn camping, just grow up. In most cases the ones dishing out the abuse usually spawn camp the "offenders" (in their eyes) team in return at any oppurtunity, I'm fine with that just dont make an idiot of yourself by being a hypocrite! You don't see me making a fool of myself over something that is PART OF THE GAME

I would have thought that only spawn camping in uncapturable bases is a no-no. The objective of the game, as stated in the game manual, is to capture and hold the flags untill enemy tickets run out. How in the world would you capture a flag if you dont sit next to it till it changes colour, killing everyone in the meantime?
And as some of the posters say above, if you hold all the flags an the map, and there is nothing else left to do, let's do the base-rape. Not really fair to sit right on their flag that you can't cap anyway, but driving thrugh their repair pads and sitting out just outside the gates shouldn't be so bad. You play to win, dont you?

dont we just love post ressurectors Mathuis:D spawn camping is boring for every1 so just dont do it. sometimes it is a good tactic to spam a flag if their tickets are already counting. but comon guys, save that for wars. in the meantime FLAG *****.

I came in here to get some clarity on whether spawn camping is by definition a bannable offence in PUBLIC games or not and am more confused than ever. Most people don't like it, but it's technically ok to do, am I right? I'm not going to give my opinions one way or the other, I just want to know. I presume Way's initial post stands, despite the debate following? Clarification required please...

From experience if spawn camping occurs and someone politely says something like "Guys, how about you let us out of the base and we can have some fun on the field" most people will back off. It's about how you approach it I think, and also about who it is you're talking to

with regards to it being banable, I am 99% sure you cant be banned for it on pubs.



The annoying thing about this is, it is very true, I don't think I have seen people who were camping actually back off when asked to, which makes the game very boring. A few times I've had to just leave the server, it was that bad. IMHO its ok to do but not if the entire team can only spawn at one base!


[EDIT] P.S. How do I insert a quote properly :/

Yeah I'll often just leave servers too, hence my question of whether it was bannable. Ah well.

My thoughts exactly Mel, so what do we do, spawn camp and nade spam if given the opportunity. Wot generally happens in the Ladder matches?

On GA we consider camping non-banable, non-kickable, but something we also consider as not-much-fun.

In my experience in a server with low numbers the campers will back off if asked politely, however in full servers it's much harder to get a response at all.

Spawn elsewhere and seek the eternally satisfying sweet yet cold dish of revenge!

u spawn campers are just tryhard newbs......

havent u realised yet that u can get more satisfyable kills by letting the enemy come to u, in which sense u will be on the defensive and have to advantage of surprise. Im most spawn camping instance all the newbs rush off to camp in the most uncoordinated fashion, which leaves the capable flags unprotected, and basiclaly any advantage we may have had is lost within a couple of minutes as all the idiot campers loose thier tanks.

I find that if i hang back, and protect spawns ill get heaps more satifyiable kills than just shooting at "bots" becasuse u may as well play offline......

camping does not help ure team, even if all flags been captured.

also i consider firing into an enemy base acceptable, but as long as vehicles and men stay outside main base.
In real life would u go on a suicide mission? NO
so stay out of main BASE.

in a clan match.. id rahter defend the points rahter than camp the enemys main.

but on a public game.. every1 else goes in and if u stay back u may as well walk awway rom ur comp coz u aint gonna see no action

I think that if someone is sitting outside a cappable flag and just killing anyone that spawns without making any effort to move to capture the flag then that is obvious cause for frustration. The attackers should make a charge for the point, even if it means that they will probably be killed. Banzai!

I would just like to bring to the surface another point of much abuse on pubs - bailers. When your plane is getting shot down, i can understand bailing over a base to either cap, get another vehicle, etc. But i find the most annoying thing is ppl bailing over nothing, then not even opening their chute so that they still get a death but you don't get the kill. I would like to know if this is a acceptable tactic, because it sure seems pretty dicey to me!

Breeze: In a pub game bailing and suiciding would be preferable to giving your enemy +1, but only for gold digging whores. The honourable thing to do is either die or try to bail somewhere useful. In a clan match, it wouldn't make a difference.

I regularly play as a sniper and I admit to doing the odd bit of camping.

Moving into the enemy base is an important part of the sniper role - so you can spot for artillery and shell the enemy base. I often don't actually snipe anyone, because that gives away the hiding position and generally an artillery shell is going to do a lot more for our side than a few of my sniper bullets.

When I am sniping, I make a point of never targetting a spawn building, but I declare open season on airstrips and all the people plane-camping. Anyone standing around in the open deserves to get popped, AFAIC.

You always get people whinging about getting sniped when they're standing on the runway "not fair" "spawn camper" "n00b" etc, but my standard reply is that 1) They shouldn't be waiting in the open and 2) BF is supposed to be a realistic wargame.

If a sniper has gone to all the trouble of working their way behind enemy lines (which funnily enough, they do in RL) then good on them for getting the kills that they do. It never lasts long, as people invariably get strafed by a plane.

Correct Abbadon.

I consider it my sacred duty to snipe plane whores waiting around on airfields. Even better when they whinge about it.

Yes spawn camping is a pain but there is a simple solution. Defend your base.

I don't recall there being uncappable flags in war so we shouldn't be slack in defending all flags if spawn camping annoys us. The solution lays in our own hands.

I would like to see EA Games add some kind of spawn 'no kill' time set by the admin of say, 0 to 5 secs - which would at least give you a chance to turn around and see where the camper is!

Secondly, I don't think it is fair for a player to legitimise standing off from capping a flag (aka improving his kill score) while 'waiting for his teamates to cap the flag'. Many times this prevents team mates going in because they have some guy going crazy shelling the very area they're going to run into?

I would consider spawn camping ok in ctf to clear the base so the flag can be capped but i have a prob with camping in conquest on uncapable flags!

I have yet to see a clan use the kind of camping we are discribing in a war...

That is, ignore ALL the flags and camp, but evidently this wins wars.

Hey, if an inactive GameOP says it, you can't argue with it, it MUST be okay!

It's allways been an issue that needs to be monitored INGAME, if an unnaceptable style of camping occurs (i.e. Camping when you have no other flags, with exceptions to Berlin and whatnot) it should result in a warning to offenders.

However this would require...

A. Active GameOPs
B. Removal of a 'blanket' Rule

In my opinion the only reason the rule exists is because it is easier to let it slide than it is to enforce it.

But hey, if it's easier it must be better...

I love this thread. A post by me when I "only" had 555 posts - a post by Scorch (our newest DC GameOP) saying "What is DC?"... this is HISTORY man!This is a bit contentious in CoD at the moment, but I prefer having rules that are enforceable. That isn't easier, it is just reality.Actually, there is no blanket rule saying spawn camping is OK. It is just that there is no specific rule against it. They way we deal with it (which I think I've discussed in other threads, many moons ago) is that if it is spoiling the fun of too many people, we'll treat it as disruptive and ask people to back off. If they don't agree, we have the option of a nice, instant ban for not following a GameOp direction.

Normally, if we ask people to back off, at least some of them do - enough to let the enemy get control of their main base at least.

The real issues I see are:
1: maps like BattleAxe - where the flags are so close to the main, that spawn camping is pretty much part of the flow of the map.
2: Vulching the enemy airfield and then raping the base with planes is generally MORE disruptive than any amount of ground forces (see kharkov)- as anyone can spawn as AT and let a shot off at an enemy tank, but it is a lot harder to get some AA or MG fire at a pair of planes working together to trash your stuff.

Well said Malthius.

I guess the key point here is, it's a multiplayer game. Therefore we ALL want to play, and spawn camping at a non-cappable flag, where there are no alternative flags, disrupts that. Unless playing in 2 sec intervals counts
The enjoyment level drops for one whole team and only encourages everyone else to fall to the lowest common denominator so he/she can get some soft kills for their KDR. So many times I hear cries of disgust, and most ppl hoping for the next map to roll on.
Some maps which have only one entry point flag are easy camping targets. Allies base flag in Berlin is a classic example.
If we breed a good/fair culture, the game and users will benefit.
Why not put it to a vote? eg.
1. Spawn camping should be banned at non-cappable flags, when there are no alternative flags for the opposition?
2. Spawn camping should be allowed at non-cappable flags when there are no other enemy flags to attack?
3. Spawn camping should be allowed anytime, anywhere?
4. Ban all spawn camping?

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

Malthius thats scorchy[Ref] from cs land not scorch[GameOp]

Well, if you had dissapeared to be a fishmonger, then it is entireley relivant!

In either case, i allways love poking a bit of interest in how GA works for BF

As allways in BF it DOES come down to discretion as to how it is occuring, you could hardly penalise an Axis player on Wake for using the destroyer to shell bases, however driving a tank to an enemy base in Gazala is quite different.

What i would like to see is something added to the rules explaining that if requested, permitting the request is reasonable, camping can be a kick/ban(?)able offense

Thats all, just so people can't come back and say "THE RULES SAY IT IS OKAY"

Well, i think thats about the most useful thing i have ever said in these forums

Hard for me to comment (but its not going to stop me;-)as I'm not on ga server that often, mainly because of the times I work.
That said its a common prob on all servers.
Strange that here there are rules that say, camping is ok but offensive or gratuitous or abusive swearing is not. Surely unfair camping leads to that kind of language. I know from my experience that as soon as camping occurs so does all the abuse and the abuse will continue even when the camping has stopped.
hmmm.

The kind of spawn camping that irks me is the non-cappable-point-and-I-have-no-other-spawn-points spawn camping. I play these games to have fun (as I'm sure most people do), and a degree of realism helps with that goal, but only to a point. But let's face it, the entire concept of spawning isn't a realistic concept, but it makes the game fun. When faced with a cycle of spawn-die-spawn-die-spawn etc. The game stops becoming fun as I am no longer playing as much as spectating, and I didn't pay $80 to spectate a game.

I would agree that in certain situations, behaviour that fits the definition of spawn camping is unavoidable. As other people have said it is unavoidable. I guess it's just the vibe of it.

An opinion only...

Camping is cheap, perhaps consider it a challenge not to camp, like I consider knifing someone when confronted by a machine gun. Camping often ruins the game experience for new players, this is a key reason why many gamers shout over it when it happens.

However, as a lot of other people say, when all flags are taken, I can 'understand' the urge to camp. It's just funny how many times a non cappable base is swamped with SC'ers and someone slips through... before you know it, all your flags are gone.

Again it's just an opinion, and I understand that spawn camping will always be an irresistable urge for many, but I have little to no respect for anyone who does it.

Cheers,
Heals.

If you ask me i hate guys in planes. The idea of the game is to capture flags and get the enemies tickets to zero, while trying to get the most kills. Gold star, silver, bronze. Im one of those people who likes to run around and get into as much action as possible, while my friends are into carpet bombing places. Carpet bombing sucks, there is little to no skill in it apart from using the chopper/plane effectively, and only reduces the chances of finding enemies along the way for those on foot. My friend captures little to no flags any time we play, and usually racks up the most kills seeing as he can kill everyone without dieing (pretty much). It leaves the field dry, and i find it very boring. The worst is when another exactly like him does the same. I can understand when you are playing in teams of 5 to 1, when there is infinitely more chance of finding enemies, but it just makes for boring game play if you ask me.

IF this is satire, then not bad.

But if it isn;t, then you are missing out on a heap of fun because BF1942 is a TEAM GAME.

I feel as if Camping in clan wars is fine due to the fact it takes some skill to be in a clan, and you should know how to deal with it...However in public servers where it is made up of mixed randoms, n00bs and clan members, it might not be appropriate as the newer inexperienced players may not know how to combat it...Although you may end up with the highest score it really demotes the game and doesnt allow the newer players to get a handle on it, hence quitting never coming back and makes it harder for clans to recruit and expand.

My $0.02c

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